This article first appeared in Card Player magazine.
It shares the anatomy of Mike Caro’s final hand at a World Series of Poker main event in 1998. He seldom plays any poker tournaments, and that was the first time he’d ever entered this one.
In a few minutes, I’m going to share a hand with you. It is an actual hand I played in the main event at this year’s World Series of Poker. You need to know that poker tournaments are not my favorite things. I don’t play many. My reasons are these:
Tournament complaint one
There are just too many people to beat. The popularity of tournaments in recent years has meant that a great many have fields of competitors exceeding 300. Some have fields exceeding 500. [Note: This was written in 1998. Since then, the final tournament WSOP field has grown and has exceeded 8,000 entrants.]
What does this mean to us? If you’re much better than your typical opponents, aren’t you going to win often regardless of the number of competitors? That depends on what you mean by often.
First, let’s get something out of the way. I’m an egomaniac. I know it and you know it. I think I’m the best player in the world, but you’re welcome to doubt, snicker, or scoff and assert that it’s really someone else. Maybe it’s you. Fine. The point is this: A good estimate is that against a typical field of mostly experienced opponents, the BPITW will win no more than three times his or her “fair share” of tournaments, through infinity.
Don’t panic. I’m going to explain what I mean. If there are 300 players in a tournament and everyone is equally skilled, then pure dumb luck will determine the winner. Skill is not a factor, because everyone has the same skill, so it all cancels out. In that case, each player would have exactly one chance in 300 of winning. But I’m saying that, in reality, skill does matter in a tournament. It matters a lot, and the very best players can expect to win three times that one-in-300 share. That’s a genuine Mad Genius estimate, and it means one win in 100 tournaments.
That’s profitable, and it suggests – assuming other factors break down equally, for simplicity – that you will have a 300 percent return on investment. In other words, if you enter a no-rebuy tournament for $500, your theoretical cash-out value is $1,500, and you’ve earned a $1,000 profit.
What’s wrong with that? I didn’t say anything actually was wrong with it, and I enjoy tournaments. That’s why I play them occasionally. It’s just that, even if I entered 10 times as many tournaments in a year as I do now, I wouldn’t be able to prove my skills to anyone’s satisfaction. I would need to be very lucky to win enough tournaments to sound any alarms in the heads of opponents.
Some players enter 250 events a year. Depending on the size of the fields, an experienced player of average skills, devoting full time to tournaments and forsaking all else, can expect to win anywhere from zero to four times in a year. The average will be about one win, but many years could pass without a single trophy. Think about that.
Yet, we know somebody is going to get lucky, and you’ll see that name much more often than you’d expect to over a period of a year or two, or even longer. Because poker is a game of skill, those stand-out names are much more likely to belong to the better players. But sometimes, due to random luck fluctuations, the repeat winners are just average players, or sometimes worse than average.
Put simply, if you’re planning to compete on the tournament circuit, willing to forego all else in your travels and in your pursuit of trophies, hope to get lucky. Otherwise, the drought may seem like forever.
Tournament complaint two
But here’s the real reason I am unhappy with tournaments. In a winner-take-all tournament, your strategy is pretty simple: Play your best regular game. That’s the very same game you’d play if you were not in a tournament. While there may be a few minor adjustments you’ll make, most of these will be because of how your opponent’s play tournaments. No adjustments will be monumental, and playing your best regular game gives you the greatest chance at the trophy.
OK, but what about proportional prize pools? These are the norm in tournaments today, and this means that first place will earn a certain percent of all the buy-ins, typically 40 percent or less. Second place may get 20 or 25 percent, and so on.
Well, a semi-terrible thing happens in these proportional-payoff tournaments. Namely, a strategy designed to take first place is not the most profitable. This amazes folks who haven’t thought about, but is obvious upon examination. In order to win the tournament, you need to gather everyone’s chips. You need to win them all.
Fine. But then what? Then you have to give most of them back so that the close finishers who you just conquered can be happy. Of course, you don’t really give them the chips, but you do give them the largest share of the prize pool. Same thing.
When this happens, your best strategy is to decline to play some of your profitable, but risky, hands and opt not to make some of your profitable, but risky, raises. That’s because that stretch-it-to-the-limit “profit” isn’t really worth the risk, when you have to give most of it back if you win first place.
OK, so we’ve determined that the best tournament strategy is not to play your best everyday game in a proportional payoff tournament. But, it’s still fair to everyone, right? Wrong! It’s not fair to the people who prize winning first place more than anything else. After all, originally tournaments were about winning the trophy. And the best strategy designed to win the trophy is often a losing strategy in terms of long-range tournament profits. That’s why I have mixed feelings about most tournaments. I want the trophy; and I want to play for it. Why should I have to take the worst of it financially to pursue the trophy?
Tournament complaint three
Rebuy tournaments. I don’t like that whole concept. I won’t revisit the reasons today, but it comes down to the inequality of opportunity between those who can afford to rebuy and those who can’t. Furthermore, those – like myself – who are interested primarily in winning the first-place trophy will usually rebuy or add-on, given the opportunity, even when the decision is not merited in terms of profit.
I believe that in a tournament, anything you do correctly to increase your chances of winning first place should not be punished. But that’s not the case with poker tournaments today. The ones that work, in my mind, are winner-take-all in which the table champion gets immediate compensation and advances to the next winner-take-all table. Don’t get me wrong. As I’ve said before, I have nothing against “rebuy events,” just don’t call them “tournaments.”
Having now sounded my tournament dissent, I’ll tell you that this year I entered the main event at Binion’s World Series of Poker for the first time. Before this year I was content to say that, although I’d never won the event, I’d never lost it, either. Now I can’t say that anymore.
Those of you who follow this column and take an interest in the Internet know that I frequently recommend the discussion group rec.gambling.poker. You’ll need a newsreader to access it. Anyway, in May, I left a message about how I got eliminated from the tournament. I’d like to share it with you now. Then, next column, I provide some of the responses and my subsequent comments. Here it is (although it has been edited slightly to conform to my follow-up post revising the seating positions)…
Subject: How Mike Caro got eliminated — an interesting hand From: [old email address deleted] (Mike Caro) Date: 1998/05/12 Newsgroup: rec.gambling.poker
How would y’all have played this hand? I got eliminated with it, and possibly should have played it differently. Here’s the situation…
We are three hours into the final $10,000 buy-in event at the World Series of Poker. I’m at table two, which is outside the main room in the satellite area. My table consists of no players that I am very familiar with, but five of my eight opponents have talked about my books and introduced themselves. Surrealistically, there are two separate discussions about my philosophy of tells while the action is going on — neither of which I participate in. Everyone is friendly. Opponents all seem experienced and capable, but no super stars that I can spot. All male. Action is marginally loose compared to what I expected in this main event at the early stages (I’ve never entered before).
After about three hours, I’ve built to $13,500 in chips. I have A♦-Q♦ two seats to the right of the button (dealer position), nine handed. Blinds are $50 and $100. Everyone passes to the player on my right (6th position). He makes a routine attack raise of $300 ($400 total). He has far fewer chips than I do, probably about $7,000. Here’s my first decision.
I can pass, call, raise marginally, or raise big. You could make an argument for any of those four tactics, since nobody behind me has more chips than I do, although the button has almost as many.
I call. Button also calls. Time for the flop.
It’s K♦-K♣-6♦ giving me an ace-high flush draw with my A♦-Q♦. Sixth seat bets $1,400. I debate. A good argument can be made for throwing the hand away here. Actually, I would if the off card were a nine or higher, because this would greatly increase the chances of a full house. Pot is now $2,750 and it costs me $1,400 to call. In a ring game, I would occasionally raise here (not usually, though) — perhaps $3,000 or $4,000 more.
Again, there are valid arguments for passing, calling, and raising. I decide to call, but I think I would have folded a good percent of the time in similar situations. Button also calls.
Turn card is 7♦. I make my flush. Check to me. There is danger here, but I need to weigh the chances of an opponent holding K-K, 6-6, K-6, or K-7 (not likely to be 7-7) to beat me against the chances of an opponent holding K-anything else — or even, less likely, two diamonds or another pair to lose to me. If I bet big, K-J, K-10, K-9 or K-smaller (except K-7 or K-6) may fold. If those hands call, I’m not as happy (because of the tournament danger), but I have the best of it.
There are valid arguments for checking along, making a small bet, or making a large bet. I move all-in.
Player on the button calls instantly with 6-6 (a full house), leaving me with only $300 in chips that last another 10 minutes.
I thought that since this was a hand with so many options, it would be fitting for r.g.p discussion. Of course, some readers will look at it and conclude that it is obvious that the hand should be played a particular way. But I don’t think so. Let me know what you think.
Straight Flushes, Mike Caro
Note: This final comment was at the bottom of the column. It is repeated here for historical reference. “In my next column, I’m going to show you some of the rec.gambling.poker newsgroup responses to the way I played the hand. And I’ll also share my follow-up messages to them. Meanwhile, you’ve got two weeks to think about it.”
20 thoughts on “How Mike Caro got eliminated from the 1998 WSOP”
This is a hand with lots of possibilities. My thoughts, trying hard not to be results oriented.
Given an impression of looseness in the play, a 3bet by AQs from mp is probably not incredibly out of line, and in order to begin pressure on the shorter stacks immediately, my personal preference might be to go this route, rather than just call.
Unlike some who said a side benefit of this is you fold out hands like 66, it occurs to me the very factors favoring a 3bet also make it less likely those types of hands (sm/mid pp) fold at this depth of money. Instead, even if the odds are good for a set mine, the rarity of that happening FEELS like it argues for a bigger pot initially so you take down more when the sm/mid pp miss and you c bet. (The lack of truly strong players tends to insulate you a bit against a position bluff of a set).
Slight pot over bet on a paired board, with the bettor having only about 5k behind, is not good. Having a stack very nearly your size acting after you is very not good. What is good (you hope!) is the fact you flopped the sort of hand which you would have wanted pre-flop; but that is what makes this decision so ugh. Off suit this is easy…suited in d, not so much.
Still, as played, having allowed the original raiser to retain the betting lead, the strength of your holding argues for at least seeing a turn I would think. The fact a standard raise sizing puts you pretty close to a dicey commitment decision, and that the stack which can cripple you is left to act, means a semi bluff is too risky (and not “rewardy” enough), means a raise seems like spew. A fold after flopping what you might otherwise hope for seems a bit too risk averse (ok, it is fearing monsters under the bed in my opinion).
PERHAPS had you 3bet pre you could find a clearer path, especially with a look left to see if the stack behind is interested, but having made a valid choice to call pre, it is what it is.
Well you hit “gin”, sort of. Reverse implied odds are a biatch, but everything we have done to this point has been playing for this exact card; how can we back out now?
I do see the idea behind moving in: we may protect our hand, but more importantly, given the size the pot has grown to (5500), and the “mad genius” image you are going to carry as a “known” entity, you may well look more bluff-y by shoving, and thus receive lighter calls. Still…
I am not loving the shove.
There are pesky reverse implied odds here, and the bigger of the 2 opponents’ stacks is behind you calling – is he station-y enough to chase a weaker flush, or to knock himself out with just a naked K?
If not, then taking the lead with maybe a half pot turn bet feels fine, and while getting 3000 or so more invested DOES push you tight against a decision, it is not a guarantee you LOSE max to a boat if a river check sees a button shove.
As you stated at the start, there are reasons for doing many different things in this hand. It strikes me that what people might write about your play speaks volumes not about your decisions, but about how they view poker.
In closing, I’d like to make a comment on these sorts of hands:
I once read somewhere, that when faced with a poker decision that could go any of multiple ways, one should always consider one more factor.
It seems that this is apropos for this hand, and I wonder if you, Mike Caro, might have played it differently given a bit more contemplation time.
I just wonder who it was that gave that sage bit of advice?
What were the odds that your opponent had a full house when you made your flush?
“77 not likely” uh, today in 2015 very likely pairs will set mine turn.
2 to 1 odds are not good enough pot odds to call and your implied odds drop because the man (to me) is representing a king unless 6-1 odds are laid out for you I would have dumped the draw
You might be right about the odds — it’s clearly very close in this case. But the chance that the opponent has a king can actually make the call more profitable, not less.
AQ suited is a good range for a 3 bet preflop, especially considering it was a loose game and the pre-flop raiser might not have much of a hand. That makes it easier to survive (that is imortant in tournaments, right?), but might scare away an opponent that you can extract more value from later on. Such a 3-bet might have scared the pair of 6’es away. It is tempting to bet all in after you connect with your flush, and what are the chances that someone has a full house? Still, I think one point that Matthew made is very valid. Why bet so big? Would you really expect to be called by a worse hand? E.g. a K high flush or just trip K’s? Would a good player make such a call?
The way this hand was played over a decade ago vs. they way it is played (by a good player) now is going to be a big difference. Simply this hand should have been 3-bet pre, and isolating the initial bettor. This should cause the player behind with 66 to fold, and the player to your right to defend. Now a board of K K 6 is not nearly as dangerous in a heads up pot, and you will find yourself extracting MAX value from the player defending with hands such as KJ K10 & KQ (you can rule out AK, seeing that norm is a 4-bet). By 3-betting pre, this will also give you the info in a normal situation whether the initial bettor has hands like AA AK KK QQ, hands that should be 4-bet. This makes your decision easier as you can just toss the AQ away if you are 4-bet by a player who is playing an ABC type game.
Draws are Death.With a pair on board YOU ARE PISSING INTO THE WIND.You are better than that.
Hi, Ray —
Thanks for making your first comment and joining our Poker1 family.
Actually, in situations such as these, the draw on the board weighs in favor of an all-in bet. The question is whether other factors outweigh those that favor that decision. One negative factor is that an opponent might already have a made full house — which is what happened. If that weren’t the case, then moving all-in taxes the maximum for the opportunity to make one.
Note that I suggested in the entry above that a decision to not move all-in would have been easy if the non-king cards on the board were higher ranking. The way it was, a full-house was unlikely. Or, in any case, that was the reason I decided as I did.
The fact that there’s a draw on the board isn’t always a deciding factor. The kind of draw and the likelihood of opponents holding the key elements makes a big difference.
Re-raise pre flop for me, but I’ve busted out of plenty tournaments by over playing AQ.
I’d be fascinated to know if you ever took a straw poll on people’s opinions when that hand was first posted, and compare it to now – I’d bet on a pre flop re-raise being more popular now than 14 years ago?
I don’t see any argument for making a large bet on the turn. Make a med sized bet 1/2 the pot and hope for a call and a check from your opponent on the river. Fold to check raise unless you have a great read on your opponent. The all in was just a bad play all around. Thanks for the honest post Mike. Shows ever “the best player in the world” makes some big mistakes.
Thanks for your comment.
I’ve analyzed the hand in depth in the past 14 years, even using computer simulation. Whether going all-in was right depends on how you define the traits of the opponents and the likelihood of their actions. It isn’t clearly right or clearly wrong. That’s the point I was addressing. Don’t forget, chasing players out who might connect on the river also has value — as does getting calls from inferior hands.
Drawing to nut flush with pr on board is -EV and nuts in this situation, when your stack and tourney life are at stake… the shove was also pure folly, as only a better hand will call…
Given the strength of our hand and better position over the original raiser, this hand is quite playable. Investing some chips with a re-raise will get more information about the raiser’s hole cards. That said, less experienced players can fold or even flat-call here since they will unlikely learn anything new after the re-raise anyway.
Unfortunately the pair of kings on the flop forces another tough decision. We have the nut flush draw against a potential full house. Since staying in the hand means it is likely that all of our chips will end up in the pot by the river, we should probably dump the hand right now because we may already be drawing dead. In a tournament, when you get all your chips in, you better have the nuts not a (dead) draw.
You played it well until the turn. Thats not a board anyone will bluff raise, so its a bet fold. You say everyone knows you wrote a book so what worse hand will call your shove? By shoving you fold out all hands your ahead of and get called by all hands that beat you.
Fold that crap.(after flop) NEVER chase a flush when the board pairs on the flop.
agree in T, in cash game , go for it. but also 3bet pre. I 3 bet pre once w AQdd and got called by 54offsuit, of course flop was Q54
I’m pretty much a novice at NLHE but – I think reraising the preflop raise would be a good idea. It’s a nice hand you had and maybe he’s just stealing, but I’d like to get a bit of info here and taking it down right now wouldn’t be terrible and being Heads-up would be a good result, also. So with a raise, if he comes over me, I can lay down to what would seem to be a big pair. I’m kind of assuming you had a tight-ish image here, so a decent-sized raise would be my only suggestion.
Once you have the flush, I don’t think in Holdem you can just put amateurs on FHs instead of a trip Ks. In PLO, you can. It’s like these hands play themselves when this happens, seems to me.
Well, this hand was obviously a long time ago, and I’m sure you’ve recovered from it by now. In hindsight, you could have re-raised to try and knock out the button and other players as to isolate the initial bettor. The button would have likely folded to a raise and re-raise in front of him (or maybe not due to his position). Like you say, though – poker is played mostly on a whim.
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Well Mike, in retrospect (no pun intended) You cannot really put the sixth seat on 6-6 at that time. Three times the big blind usually means a pretty strong hand. With odds at 4-1 that his card doesn’t hit, I would play the hand just the way you did. 90 times out of a hundred, you are a winner. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us